Do vegans understand that bambi's die because of their diet?!
Do vegans understand that bambi's die because of their diet?
Farmers who grow crops (grains, leaves, roots, fruits, vegetables) get multiple deer tags for hunting season. Combines and various farm equipment kill animals from mice to racoons, rabbits to pheasant. The babies and eggs of these adult animals get crushed and killed.
I am NOT against vegans, or their diet. You eat what you want. I realize that these creatures die to support my diet. Just please stop pretending that you are doing so much good for the environment, and for animals. Your diet supports the killing of these animals. Understand it, and deal with it. Stop lying to yourselves. You live in a modern culture of convenience. That is the only reason you can eat the way you do. It really has nothing to do with feeling bad about killing animals. Animals are killed anyway. Those who have conditions that require them to be vegan, 100 years ago, would have had a rough time finding a diet with anything close to a variety of food. What do healthy people die from?
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I understand your point. Animals do get killed in many different ways. I think vegetarians for the most part are against the unethical treatment of animals. They are caged up and treated horribly...I've seen some awful videos of the way these animals are treated. I am a meat eater and it bothers me to see that and I wish it didn't happen...but it does. I love animals. I try not to eat as much meat in my diet because of that fact, but I'm not extreme in my belief either...that I shouldn't have it at all and that everyone that has it is a mean mean person. Perhaps vegans might find more of a solution by coming up with farms that treat the animals ethically before they are killed. Perhaps they could pass a bill that outlaws farmers from treating the animals the way they do. Then everybody wins.
I have been vegetarian since grade 6. Two years ago.
I`ve been vegan, though, for the last 2 months or so.
I am vegan because I think eating animals and their products is disgusting, and almost wrong. I watched PETA, thats what got me started, and I know now that PETA are a bunch of money-stealing liars and extremists. I dont support them, but I kind of follow them.
I`m also vegan because all of those animal prodcuts are just fattening.
I know that one person turning vegan isnt going to save a noticable amount of animals from dying, but its what i chose.
QFT. Very few people realize this. Venison is rather tasty however.
And make no mistake about it, your tax dollars pay for bombs that we drop on people. Your car is filled with gas that people have died because of. I still drive and I still pay taxes. I currently do not eat meat and if animals die in the fields where my vegetables come from that has nothing to do with my eating vegetables. I see what you are trying to do but your argument does not work.
I think alot of them just look at the propaganda and not the facts , and i feel REAL sorry for them if they ever have a heart condition and get told they have to go on the Adkins's diet
Beef Its whats for dinner!
I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals...I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants.
Oh my goodness. Yer just killing me.
Ladies and Gents don't you just love it when the crazy people forget to take their meds?
Get real, buddy. Factory farming is destroying this planet. 1000 or even 2000 years ago people lived long healthy lives on vegan diets. So YOU stop lying to yourself. Face the facts.
Yes, all "ranchers" get to break the rules. Cattle ranchers are even allowed to kill endangered animals. Protected wolves are not safe if they get too near the precious cattle.
how we worship the sacred cow...
It takes 22 pounds of grain to produce ONE pound of edible beef. That's like filtering a gallon of water through a sewer then drinking what comes out the other end from a Dixie cup.
WAKE UP! Do some homework.
Scientific studies have shown that vegetarians and vegans are smarter than meat eaters. So you go right ahead. Have your burger. Get your colon cancer. Die from the chemo.
The average vegan lives 10 years longer than their meat eating cousin.
Survival of the fittest I say...
To answer your question, healthy people die of old age. Happy, healthy old age. Check out John Robbin's new book "Healthy at 100."
haha...omg you're freaking RETARDED. Me eating a carrot makes small animals in Hungary die? right? Is that what you're saying?
You're just trying to be controversal and gain attention to yourself. If you want everyone thinking you're stupid & you want attention then go cut yourself.
stfu.
Cattle ranchers nor anyone else are allowed to kill endangered animals. Coyotes, however are not endangered and pose a great threat to the livestock industry. It is only legal to kill them because they are not an endangered species.
Yeah ,and if I step on a blade of grass I kill
microorganisms too. It's all about reduction.
These deaths that you are talking about are
inadvertent. Farmers don't purposely run
over anything anymore than I do when I
mow the lawn. As for farmers hunting;
that's the fault of the N.R.A., not mine.
My biggest environmental concern has to do
with the integrity of the ecosystem and the
natural world. When genetically modified
salmon, trout, and mullosk are farmed
some of them escape and mate
with the natural fish in the ocean creating
what amounts to a frankenfish.
This effects the integrity of the waters
because of the way the food chain works.
The nets are killing off sea turtles and other species.
Overfishing and poaching also threatens
the livelihood of people's like the Inuit who
have not modernized and live off of the land.
I've never seen the EPA fine an organic
produce farmer for allowing feces from
crops to spill out into the main waters.
Have You?
What about all the unnatural births that
have occurred due to forced molting
techniques and artificial insemination?
They don't even allow these animals
to mate naturally anymore.
The U.S. slaughters 3 billion chickens
and 1.5 billion cows alone. How do you
think that many got here? Think the number
is natural? Call that integrity?
These are among the many reasons
that I am adamant about my lifestyle.
I can't be perfect and life can't be
perfect but I can do all that I can.
Oh my goodness. Yer just killing me.
Ladies and Gents don't you just love it when the crazy people forget to take their meds?
god damn this format in yahoo..
there is so many place i could quote vegan stupidity its funny every day i come broswe this place..
iots great u want to eat veggies have at it.. hate meat by all means eat what u want. but dotn try and convert on lies .. you practice the secular progressive religion with out a church.you people lie and twist truths so much i cant begin to get into it in a normal forum reponse..
be vegan if you want.. but its not the "smart choice' the humane choice or any other groung breaking choice.. its just a flipping menu asshole.
Get real, buddy. Factory farming is destroying this planet. 1000 or even 2000 years ago people lived long healthy lives on vegan diets. So YOU stop lying to yourself. Face the facts.
< thank goodness that pure vegan farming eating kills no animals.. oh yeah it does .. just check out vole populations when fields of grain get planted asshole>
Yes, all "ranchers" get to break the rules. Cattle ranchers are even allowed to kill endangered animals. Protected wolves are not safe if they get too near the precious cattle.,again wolves are big and lefty nuts think they are cute but deer numbers and coyote numbers are higher then even b4 the white amn and all his met eating showed up in north america ( not to mention that a ******* deer is a conservative est 3-4 thousand dollars worth of damage to farmers annually each)> yeah and as an added point .. how many grain farmers get to fleece the american populace every yr cause they get subsidised to grow grain in the same ******* field that floods every god damn yr *** hat?>
how we worship the sacred cow...
It takes 22 pounds of grain to produce ONE pound of edible beef. That's like filtering a gallon of water through a sewer then drinking what comes out the other end from a Dixie cup.
WAKE UP! Do some homework.
Scientific studies have shown that vegetarians and vegans are smarter than meat eaters. So you go right ahead. Have your burger. Get your colon cancer. Die from the chemo. < lmao.. ok maybe you will show us some studies where is shows white ppl are smarter or blondes or whatever .. these studies are always biased.. veganism is the new racism>
The average vegan lives 10 years longer than their meat eating cousin.< i declare bullshit on this on so many levels i wish not to open the can of worms myself(that and i might get hungry thinking of worms)>
Survival of the fittest I say...
To answer your question, healthy people die of old age. Happy, healthy old age. Check out John Robbin's new book "Healthy at 100." ,
vegans are to destroy humanity. they hate being human and hate being part of the food chain. never trust a vegan.
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Ethically, there is quite a bit of difference between intentionally and accidentally killing something. A creature or two may have died as a consequence of producing the vegetarian lunch that I'm now enjoying, that's true.
However, no cow or pig had its throat deliberately slit and was left to bleed to death on a slaughterhouse production line. Panicked animals didn't trample each other to death to produce the meal I'm eating just because I feel like I "have" to have meat in my diet.
And as far as doing good for anything, how about considering this: the 20+ pounds of grain that it takes to produce 1 pound of beef could feed several people for more than a day, instead of 1 meal for two people. Cattle waste accounts for over 20% of the methane pollution in the United States. And to raise a cow from calf to slaughter takes well over a thousand gallons of water that could be used to irrigate crops and provide drinking water.
100 years ago, people did much more labor intensive work than they do now, and they required a much higher caloric intake than most of us need today. We don't burn the calories from excess meat consumption, and the result are extra pounds and high cholesterol.
There were vegetarians and vegans back in those days, and they lived on produce that they raised and preserved. In fact, many Catholic and Orthodox religious orders were vegetarian, and they thrived on the food they produced. The same was (and still is) true of Buddhist monastaries.
And to answer your final question: healthy people die from advanced old age.
All the vegans on this page are right. The world would be a better place if nobody ate meat and animals didn't have to die. Because then, there would be too many animals running around and they would be starving to death and dying of disease. There would be so many animals, they just might eat up all the veggies and then the damn vegans could starve to death.
Uh... not exactly, Taunia. I think it's safe to say that if nobody ate meat, people would stop farming animals.
Well, fine then, supposedly there is no way to eat without killing animals, even if you choose not to eat animals...cool. But regardless, the health benefits of the vegan diet are undeniable. Countries that do not eat as much meat or consume dairy products are proven to live longer lives, with much lower to virtually nonexistent risk of diabetes, heart disease, osteoporosis, etc.
Besides, there is nothing wrong with eating wild deer that weren't raised on factory farms and fed hormones and antibiotics. (And if you ask me, a bullet wound is a more humane way to die than the murderous ones they suffer on meat farms.) But since it is virtually impossible to find that meat in the grocery store or even at the farmer's market, I'd rather eat my organic vegetables that are completely free of cholesterol, pesticides, and hormones. Plenty of people around the world, now and 100 years ago, live on diets of rice and beans.
Yes, we should worry about the brutality of the animals and how they die, but we can't save them all and I think most of us vegans know that, but we can work hard to preserve ourselves, and help us to live longer healthier lives. It's proven that it is easier to do that without eating meat. So even if Bambi is dying, I'm still not eating him, I'm hoping to live for a hundred years or so.
Super answer from wolfeblayde! Yes, it does feel wonderful knowing that I am not directly contributing to that which has been described.
I'm pretty sure that I and other vegetarians/vegans are well aware of the fact that animals and the environment are still sacrificed no matter what we eat. it's all just a matter of weighing the opportunity costs of our decisions because no matter what we do, we're going to have to use some resources anyway. Vegetarianism is all a matter of personal choice (although I know some vegetarians are critical of meat eaters, which I don't agree with), which includes choosing to save lives of animals who we know would be abused, injected with chemicals, and forced to live in feces ridden cages.
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